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		<title>By: Robert Benwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Benwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 01:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Casey Kleinhenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey Kleinhenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oregon&#039;s transportation planning system includes &quot;Area Commissions on Transportation&quot; - regional bodies that work along side MPOs. ACTs role is to promote public involvement in regional decision making,  and improve project prioritization across MPO jurisdictions. see more
http://www.ruraltransportation.org/uploads/oractrpt.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oregon&#8217;s transportation planning system includes &#8220;Area Commissions on Transportation&#8221; &#8211; regional bodies that work along side MPOs. ACTs role is to promote public involvement in regional decision making,  and improve project prioritization across MPO jurisdictions. see more<br />
<a href="http://www.ruraltransportation.org/uploads/oractrpt.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ruraltransportation.org/uploads/oractrpt.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Denise Bunnewith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Bunnewith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don’t live in a perfect world and for many reasons, I don’t believe there is a “perfect model” MPO.  MPO’s come in different sizes and if you have experience with MPOs you know no two are alike.   A realist, I don’t think Congress, the President and state legislatures have the political will to wrest land use decision-making authority from the control of local elected officials and give it to MPOs.   MPOs are going to be challenged with new federal mandates they do not have the authority to enforce.  It remains to be seen if they will be provided with the training, tools and funding to do what is asked.  As an MPO director, I am hoping that relationships can be built with the communities within MPOs, with builder/developers and with the public so that we can all better understand the relationship between our land use and transportation decisions and how these decisions affect the quality of our lives and the air we breathe.    It hasn’t gone well so far, but I am optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don’t live in a perfect world and for many reasons, I don’t believe there is a “perfect model” MPO.  MPO’s come in different sizes and if you have experience with MPOs you know no two are alike.   A realist, I don’t think Congress, the President and state legislatures have the political will to wrest land use decision-making authority from the control of local elected officials and give it to MPOs.   MPOs are going to be challenged with new federal mandates they do not have the authority to enforce.  It remains to be seen if they will be provided with the training, tools and funding to do what is asked.  As an MPO director, I am hoping that relationships can be built with the communities within MPOs, with builder/developers and with the public so that we can all better understand the relationship between our land use and transportation decisions and how these decisions affect the quality of our lives and the air we breathe.    It hasn’t gone well so far, but I am optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Wilson</title>
		<link>http://citiwire.net/post/1203/comment-page-1/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t support giving MPOs more authority without making them more democratic.  MPOs need to be accountable to the public like any other governmental institution.  In some regions, e.g., Portland, this is already the case.  In other cases, e.g., California, it is not.  I do not see the point of any ex officio members.  If the agency is not fully accountable like every other public agency, its authority should not be increased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t support giving MPOs more authority without making them more democratic.  MPOs need to be accountable to the public like any other governmental institution.  In some regions, e.g., Portland, this is already the case.  In other cases, e.g., California, it is not.  I do not see the point of any ex officio members.  If the agency is not fully accountable like every other public agency, its authority should not be increased.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Senville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Senville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appreciate your focusing on the role of MPOs. One concern I&#039;ve heard raised about MPOs is that they are not always based on proportionate representation -- with the core city often being underrepresented in
terms of voting power. Another concern is the &quot;quid pro quo&quot; nature of trading support for transportation projects -- i.e., if you support the project my community wants, we&#039;ll support yours. How do you focus on what will be of long-term, region-wide benefit when MPO representatives are usually appointed by individual municipalities and are expected to ensure, first and foremost, that their municipality&#039;s interests are met? 

My own views of MPOs, I have to admit, are somewhat colored by the fact that I&#039;ve been involved with a citizens group that for many years has been battling with our MPO over the planned construction of a major belt highway. The MPO has long been one of the major proponents of this project, in large part because several of the suburban communities badly want this roadway built. Dealing with short-term perceived traffic congestion issues (something that representatives on our MPO, who are generally members of their local governing body, view as a priority for their constituents) has trumped more thoughtful long-term transportation strategies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate your focusing on the role of MPOs. One concern I&#8217;ve heard raised about MPOs is that they are not always based on proportionate representation &#8212; with the core city often being underrepresented in<br />
terms of voting power. Another concern is the &#8220;quid pro quo&#8221; nature of trading support for transportation projects &#8212; i.e., if you support the project my community wants, we&#8217;ll support yours. How do you focus on what will be of long-term, region-wide benefit when MPO representatives are usually appointed by individual municipalities and are expected to ensure, first and foremost, that their municipality&#8217;s interests are met? </p>
<p>My own views of MPOs, I have to admit, are somewhat colored by the fact that I&#8217;ve been involved with a citizens group that for many years has been battling with our MPO over the planned construction of a major belt highway. The MPO has long been one of the major proponents of this project, in large part because several of the suburban communities badly want this roadway built. Dealing with short-term perceived traffic congestion issues (something that representatives on our MPO, who are generally members of their local governing body, view as a priority for their constituents) has trumped more thoughtful long-term transportation strategies.</p>
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		<title>By: Carleton Montgomery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carleton Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An essential point in Mr. Hudnut&#039;s argument needs emphasis:  To be effective and do good, MPOs have to be more than transportation planning agencies.  They have to become regional land use planning agencies, or better yet be embedded within robust regional land use planning agencies.  Otherwise, they are too likely become simply more powerful tools of parochial development and construction interests.  The examples Mr. Hudnut gives of effective MPOs - SACOG, Portlands Metro, DVRPC - are the ones that do regional land use planning (though each of them is very different in structure and powers.)  To take on those zoning and related powers, these agencies would also need new state enabling legisation and upgraded governance structures.  Federal legislation alone could not directly override traditional land use authority, but federal legislation could and should provide authorities and incentives to states to make MPOs into genuine regional planning agencies.  

As an aside, the New Jersey Pinelands is an anomoly of a different kind.  The Pinelands Commission is a very powerful regional land use planning agency, but it is not the MPO and has no direct authority over transporration planning or spending.  That makes no more sense than haveing MPOs with no role in land use planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An essential point in Mr. Hudnut&#8217;s argument needs emphasis:  To be effective and do good, MPOs have to be more than transportation planning agencies.  They have to become regional land use planning agencies, or better yet be embedded within robust regional land use planning agencies.  Otherwise, they are too likely become simply more powerful tools of parochial development and construction interests.  The examples Mr. Hudnut gives of effective MPOs &#8211; SACOG, Portlands Metro, DVRPC &#8211; are the ones that do regional land use planning (though each of them is very different in structure and powers.)  To take on those zoning and related powers, these agencies would also need new state enabling legisation and upgraded governance structures.  Federal legislation alone could not directly override traditional land use authority, but federal legislation could and should provide authorities and incentives to states to make MPOs into genuine regional planning agencies.  </p>
<p>As an aside, the New Jersey Pinelands is an anomoly of a different kind.  The Pinelands Commission is a very powerful regional land use planning agency, but it is not the MPO and has no direct authority over transporration planning or spending.  That makes no more sense than haveing MPOs with no role in land use planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mayraj Fahim</title>
		<link>http://citiwire.net/post/1203/comment-page-1/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>Mayraj Fahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might also want to keep this in mind:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html
Warning: Oil supplies are running out fast</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might also want to keep this in mind:<br />
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html</a><br />
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		<title>By: Alex Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for paying attention to this issue.  Fortunately (or unfortunately), we appear to have 18 months to rethink our concept of MPOs.  MPO PL funds are among the only consistent Federally-funded urban planning programs operating in the United States.  It is time to better leverage this money to develop our regions in a more coherent fashion.

It is very unlikely that MPOs will get land use authority from the Federal government, so we should look toward promoting coordination instead.  There is a mismatch between the agency responsible for transportation planning and land use.  If the two agencies can come closer together through a hosting arrangement or at least coterminous boundaries, coordination will be much easier.  

Current Federal law loosely organizes MPOs around urbanized areas, which are created by the Census Bureau and pay no regard to political boundaries.  The end result is that often the MPO’s plan only covers a portion of a local government.  So how can we expect the local governments to coordinate their land use map with the transportation plan?  I propose that MPOs be organized around metropolitan statistical areas instead.  MSA’s are coterminous with counties, and that means the MPO would always cover entire units of local government.  Further, the geographically-larger MPOs will come much closer to the boundaries of Councils of Government and NAAQS Conformity airsheds.  Establishing MPOs based on MSAs more accurately reflects the true boundaries of a region, while simultaneously reducing the total number of MPOs nationwide.  

You are absolutely right that MPOs need the authority to issue bonds and fund programs of their own.  Recently, a Florida MPO discovered that no mechanism existed for the MPO to supplement a traffic-operations program called the &quot;Road Rangers&quot; that was cut back in the state budget.  The draft reauthorization introduced to the Subcommittee on Highways and Transit includes several provisions for MPOs to build their own projects, so there is a good chance MPOs will have some authority in this area soon. 

I am mixed on your suggestion of having directly-elected members on the MPO governing board.   One idea could be to have the public elect the chair of the board, but have the rest of the board filled like they are today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for paying attention to this issue.  Fortunately (or unfortunately), we appear to have 18 months to rethink our concept of MPOs.  MPO PL funds are among the only consistent Federally-funded urban planning programs operating in the United States.  It is time to better leverage this money to develop our regions in a more coherent fashion.</p>
<p>It is very unlikely that MPOs will get land use authority from the Federal government, so we should look toward promoting coordination instead.  There is a mismatch between the agency responsible for transportation planning and land use.  If the two agencies can come closer together through a hosting arrangement or at least coterminous boundaries, coordination will be much easier.  </p>
<p>Current Federal law loosely organizes MPOs around urbanized areas, which are created by the Census Bureau and pay no regard to political boundaries.  The end result is that often the MPO’s plan only covers a portion of a local government.  So how can we expect the local governments to coordinate their land use map with the transportation plan?  I propose that MPOs be organized around metropolitan statistical areas instead.  MSA’s are coterminous with counties, and that means the MPO would always cover entire units of local government.  Further, the geographically-larger MPOs will come much closer to the boundaries of Councils of Government and NAAQS Conformity airsheds.  Establishing MPOs based on MSAs more accurately reflects the true boundaries of a region, while simultaneously reducing the total number of MPOs nationwide.  </p>
<p>You are absolutely right that MPOs need the authority to issue bonds and fund programs of their own.  Recently, a Florida MPO discovered that no mechanism existed for the MPO to supplement a traffic-operations program called the &#8220;Road Rangers&#8221; that was cut back in the state budget.  The draft reauthorization introduced to the Subcommittee on Highways and Transit includes several provisions for MPOs to build their own projects, so there is a good chance MPOs will have some authority in this area soon. </p>
<p>I am mixed on your suggestion of having directly-elected members on the MPO governing board.   One idea could be to have the public elect the chair of the board, but have the rest of the board filled like they are today.</p>
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		<title>By: Mayraj Fahim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mayraj Fahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.
This reminds me of two items:
1) a recent paper by Myron Orfield
See:
http://www.irpumn.org/uls/ resources/projects/MPO_Reform. pdf 
MPO REFORM: A NATIONAL AGENDA FOR FAIR AND SUSTAINABLE METROPOLITAN GROWTH

and , (2) a report about SANDAG:
http://www.lao.ca.gov/2006/sandag/sandag_033006.htm
SANDAG: An Assessment of Its Role in the San Diego Region

I find the term MPO to be misleading as it lumps bodies of different strengths into same bag. Portland and Twin Cities are regional systems that have more powers than others. However, they too need to be upgraded as comparison with Community of Metropolitan Montreal and European Regional bodies reveals. 

Both Myron Orfield and the author support election of officials. That can be problematic as the Canadians have discovered. You need to keep in mind the relation of such bodies with local units creates an integrated federated  framework which can be full of tensions. It can lead to dissolution in the extreme.  Indirect elections is not necessarily a limitation on productivity as British Columbia&#039;s  Regional Districts have illustrated with over a 40 year history. 

The real value of such bodies is not merely in service planning;but, in economic development. Regional bodies need to stop need to stop being one-trick ponies. Regional councils need to mature beyond focussing on grants;they need to collaborate on improving  economic circumstances from own resources.  Become incubators  and developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.<br />
This reminds me of two items:<br />
1) a recent paper by Myron Orfield<br />
See:<br />
<a href="http://www.irpumn.org/uls/" rel="nofollow">http://www.irpumn.org/uls/</a> resources/projects/MPO_Reform. pdf<br />
MPO REFORM: A NATIONAL AGENDA FOR FAIR AND SUSTAINABLE METROPOLITAN GROWTH</p>
<p>and , (2) a report about SANDAG:<br />
<a href="http://www.lao.ca.gov/2006/sandag/sandag_033006.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lao.ca.gov/2006/sandag/sandag_033006.htm</a><br />
SANDAG: An Assessment of Its Role in the San Diego Region</p>
<p>I find the term MPO to be misleading as it lumps bodies of different strengths into same bag. Portland and Twin Cities are regional systems that have more powers than others. However, they too need to be upgraded as comparison with Community of Metropolitan Montreal and European Regional bodies reveals. </p>
<p>Both Myron Orfield and the author support election of officials. That can be problematic as the Canadians have discovered. You need to keep in mind the relation of such bodies with local units creates an integrated federated  framework which can be full of tensions. It can lead to dissolution in the extreme.  Indirect elections is not necessarily a limitation on productivity as British Columbia&#8217;s  Regional Districts have illustrated with over a 40 year history. </p>
<p>The real value of such bodies is not merely in service planning;but, in economic development. Regional bodies need to stop need to stop being one-trick ponies. Regional councils need to mature beyond focussing on grants;they need to collaborate on improving  economic circumstances from own resources.  Become incubators  and developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Peirce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Peirce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an interesting article on metropolitan development MPOS, check this link with an article by Edward Ziegler of the University of Denver Law School -- 
eziegler@law.du.edu
The link:
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/property/files/ziegler_megapolitan.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an interesting article on metropolitan development MPOS, check this link with an article by Edward Ziegler of the University of Denver Law School &#8212;<br />
<a href="mailto:eziegler@law.du.edu">eziegler@law.du.edu</a><br />
The link:<br />
<a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/property/files/ziegler_megapolitan.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/property/files/ziegler_megapolitan.pdf</a></p>
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