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		<title>By: Neal Peirce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Peirce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Message from Donald J. DeSalvo, A General Partner, The Cafaro Northwest Partnership, Puyallup, WA 98373

As a grandson of immigrants from Russia and Italy, I totally agree that the value in mining the immigrant asset is prudent and necessary if not imperative.  I have maintained for years from the R side of the isle that the issue is not the people who came and continue to live and work here (with wet backs or dusty pre-curser&#039;s to Birkenstocks).  The vast majority came to find work and, in my opinion are to be commended for wanting to take care of family and make a better life for themselves.  The intent and the good they bring as workers is not the issue.  The issue is how they got here and how they stay and the consequences of being &quot;illegal.&quot;  Making money and a good living is the US way.  Cheating is not (although Bernie M. would disagree) whether it be at the hands of the middle class that have not cut a lawn for the 25 years we have been living in the Wall Street Fantasy Bubble that was created by Wall Street cheaters (another story but part of the big picture) or the good folks at Tyson&#039;s and other such venues that hire these folk at wages far below market.  So, I say, give all illegal&#039;s one year to register, as my grandparents did at Ellis Island--they can go to any US Post Office--have photo&#039;s and fingerprints taken.   For doing this they get a special visa which would entitle them to stay in the US for three years during which they must find a legal tax paying job.  Then they have two additional years (five years total) before they are required to take a test to become a US Citizen--in English.  If during this time period they commit a felony or a background check finds them to be felons, either here or in the Country of Origin, then, back to where you came from--here&#039;s your ticket.  This way, we will keep in tact the families that are here that have children and grandchildren that are citizens at birth in the US.  Hell, just in the SS, FICA, Hospitalization that will now have to be paid by employers and the new employees, not to mention the Workman&#039;s Compensation and other issues that will now be resolved, we can save billions of dollars while we receive billions of dollars in taxes paid by new &quot;legal residents.&quot;  We keep the best and the bums get tossed out.  No appeal, no argument of law.  If there is an appeal, it would be filed from by them from their homeland and not from an address in the US.  So yes, I agree that there is a tremendous value in the folks who are here illegally.  Make them legal and lets profit from their zeal and desire to get ahead.  God knows our kids are going to have a hard time making a living with their skills in baseball, soccer, basketball, swimming, bowling, lacrosse, golf, volleyball, skiing, surfing, all extreme sports, video games, Facebook, My Space, texting and all the other skills they have honed to a fine edge.  We will need these folk to be our salvation, we will and do need all the help these folks can give us.  Thanks Grandma and Grandpa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Message from Donald J. DeSalvo, A General Partner, The Cafaro Northwest Partnership, Puyallup, WA 98373</p>
<p>As a grandson of immigrants from Russia and Italy, I totally agree that the value in mining the immigrant asset is prudent and necessary if not imperative.  I have maintained for years from the R side of the isle that the issue is not the people who came and continue to live and work here (with wet backs or dusty pre-curser&#8217;s to Birkenstocks).  The vast majority came to find work and, in my opinion are to be commended for wanting to take care of family and make a better life for themselves.  The intent and the good they bring as workers is not the issue.  The issue is how they got here and how they stay and the consequences of being &#8220;illegal.&#8221;  Making money and a good living is the US way.  Cheating is not (although Bernie M. would disagree) whether it be at the hands of the middle class that have not cut a lawn for the 25 years we have been living in the Wall Street Fantasy Bubble that was created by Wall Street cheaters (another story but part of the big picture) or the good folks at Tyson&#8217;s and other such venues that hire these folk at wages far below market.  So, I say, give all illegal&#8217;s one year to register, as my grandparents did at Ellis Island&#8211;they can go to any US Post Office&#8211;have photo&#8217;s and fingerprints taken.   For doing this they get a special visa which would entitle them to stay in the US for three years during which they must find a legal tax paying job.  Then they have two additional years (five years total) before they are required to take a test to become a US Citizen&#8211;in English.  If during this time period they commit a felony or a background check finds them to be felons, either here or in the Country of Origin, then, back to where you came from&#8211;here&#8217;s your ticket.  This way, we will keep in tact the families that are here that have children and grandchildren that are citizens at birth in the US.  Hell, just in the SS, FICA, Hospitalization that will now have to be paid by employers and the new employees, not to mention the Workman&#8217;s Compensation and other issues that will now be resolved, we can save billions of dollars while we receive billions of dollars in taxes paid by new &#8220;legal residents.&#8221;  We keep the best and the bums get tossed out.  No appeal, no argument of law.  If there is an appeal, it would be filed from by them from their homeland and not from an address in the US.  So yes, I agree that there is a tremendous value in the folks who are here illegally.  Make them legal and lets profit from their zeal and desire to get ahead.  God knows our kids are going to have a hard time making a living with their skills in baseball, soccer, basketball, swimming, bowling, lacrosse, golf, volleyball, skiing, surfing, all extreme sports, video games, Facebook, My Space, texting and all the other skills they have honed to a fine edge.  We will need these folk to be our salvation, we will and do need all the help these folks can give us.  Thanks Grandma and Grandpa.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Justice</title>
		<link>http://citiwire.net/post/1583/comment-page-1/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that our next generation of craftsmen will come from immigrant labor, however, we need something for them to build and/or repair and it is not ipods and blackberries. In a speech by then Secretary of Energy Bodman in 2008, http://www.energy.gov/print/6646.htm, describes the jobs and raw materials needed to construct &quot;one&quot; nuclear power plant. The article states that more than 1,400 jobs are needed during construction with peak employment ranging as high as 2,400. The operation generates 400-700 permanent jobs, from nuclear scientists and engineers to skilled craftspeople, construction managers, plant operators and maintenance persinnel. These jobs will pay 40% more than average salaries. In addition it takes the same amount of steel and concrete to build a nuclear power plant as it does to build &quot;the Empire State Building.&quot; These are the direct jobs and materials for a nuclear plant  and thousands of jobs to provide the raw materials and the goods and services necessary to support this work force.  This is so clear to me and my scientific and engineering friends that I can&#039;t understand why President Obama doesn&#039;t force the release of permits for the 26 Nuclear Power plants current under processing.

Robert Justice
Kingwood, Texas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that our next generation of craftsmen will come from immigrant labor, however, we need something for them to build and/or repair and it is not ipods and blackberries. In a speech by then Secretary of Energy Bodman in 2008, <a href="http://www.energy.gov/print/6646.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.energy.gov/print/6646.htm</a>, describes the jobs and raw materials needed to construct &#8220;one&#8221; nuclear power plant. The article states that more than 1,400 jobs are needed during construction with peak employment ranging as high as 2,400. The operation generates 400-700 permanent jobs, from nuclear scientists and engineers to skilled craftspeople, construction managers, plant operators and maintenance persinnel. These jobs will pay 40% more than average salaries. In addition it takes the same amount of steel and concrete to build a nuclear power plant as it does to build &#8220;the Empire State Building.&#8221; These are the direct jobs and materials for a nuclear plant  and thousands of jobs to provide the raw materials and the goods and services necessary to support this work force.  This is so clear to me and my scientific and engineering friends that I can&#8217;t understand why President Obama doesn&#8217;t force the release of permits for the 26 Nuclear Power plants current under processing.</p>
<p>Robert Justice<br />
Kingwood, Texas</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://citiwire.net/post/1583/comment-page-1/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more.  The H-1B and Green Card process are ridiculous and do so much more to turn highly educated immigrants away from the U.S., instead of encouraging them to stay in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  The H-1B and Green Card process are ridiculous and do so much more to turn highly educated immigrants away from the U.S., instead of encouraging them to stay in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Peirce</title>
		<link>http://citiwire.net/post/1583/comment-page-1/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Peirce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment received from Tom Ryugo &lt;tryugo @yahoo.com&gt;

One need only look at Silicon Valley to see the value of immigrants.  Starting in the late 70s, it was Vietnamese immigrants fleeing oppression who formed the backbone of Silicon Valley.  They took many of the manual labor jobs in the new high-tech firms.  Those companies needed people to do assembly work as well as packaging.  The Vietnamese were the hardest working and most dependable - they showed up on time, worked hard, and didn&#039;t complain.  By contrast, many native-born Americans thought the work was beneath them or weren&#039;t dependable.  In time, the Vietnamese also became technicians, engineers, and scientists at the same kinds of high tech firms or ran businesses.

In more recent years, immigrants from India, Taiwan, and China have also contributed heavily to Silicon Valley success.  Many electronics, software, and biotechnology firms employ not only Chinese and Indian scientists, technicians, and engineers but product managers and sales reps.  Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobbs would squawk but the fact is that without immigrants, Silicon Valley would grind to a halt.

The less pretty side of immigration is also on display.  Immigrants from Latin America often take the menial jobs that require little education: food service, landscaping, and janitorial services.  There is less of an emphasis on education among the Latino communities too so there&#039;s a higher drop-out rate and fewer Latino faces seen among the professional classes in Silicon Valley firms.
 
In any case, the idiocy of our immigration laws is all too evident.  Unfortunately, too many people believe in the Limbaugh/Beck/Buchanan/Dobbs view of immigrants to be especially optimistic about immigration reform.&lt;/tryugo&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment received from Tom Ryugo<br />
<tryugo @yahoo.com>
<p>One need only look at Silicon Valley to see the value of immigrants.  Starting in the late 70s, it was Vietnamese immigrants fleeing oppression who formed the backbone of Silicon Valley.  They took many of the manual labor jobs in the new high-tech firms.  Those companies needed people to do assembly work as well as packaging.  The Vietnamese were the hardest working and most dependable &#8211; they showed up on time, worked hard, and didn&#8217;t complain.  By contrast, many native-born Americans thought the work was beneath them or weren&#8217;t dependable.  In time, the Vietnamese also became technicians, engineers, and scientists at the same kinds of high tech firms or ran businesses.</p>
<p>In more recent years, immigrants from India, Taiwan, and China have also contributed heavily to Silicon Valley success.  Many electronics, software, and biotechnology firms employ not only Chinese and Indian scientists, technicians, and engineers but product managers and sales reps.  Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobbs would squawk but the fact is that without immigrants, Silicon Valley would grind to a halt.</p>
<p>The less pretty side of immigration is also on display.  Immigrants from Latin America often take the menial jobs that require little education: food service, landscaping, and janitorial services.  There is less of an emphasis on education among the Latino communities too so there&#8217;s a higher drop-out rate and fewer Latino faces seen among the professional classes in Silicon Valley firms.</p>
<p>In any case, the idiocy of our immigration laws is all too evident.  Unfortunately, too many people believe in the Limbaugh/Beck/Buchanan/Dobbs view of immigrants to be especially optimistic about immigration reform.</tryugo>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Kenworthy</title>
		<link>http://citiwire.net/post/1583/comment-page-1/#comment-1058</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Kenworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great book to have publicized through this column. I am sure there would be many a worthy PhD dissertation that could explore different aspects of immigrant-led city revitalization. 

It reminded me of the stories I have read, the anecdotes I have been told and the experiences I have had in America&#039;s checkerboard cities of good and bad neighbourhoods. Many years ago I was introduced to Greektown in Detroit, a small area, an island in a sea of decay, made safe and brought to life at night by a conglomeration of Greek restaurants. Later on in the 1980s I spent a whole afternoon in MacArthur Park in LA, just talking to the Mexican families crowded into that space having Sunday family picnics and how welcome they made me feel and how it so changed my perception of what LA symbolizes.

And there were the stories of the Puerto Ricans moving in to areas of NYC and sitting out on their stoops bringing life and friendliness to previously not so friendly streets (not that this was always understood or welcomed by existing residents). And then there were the stories of the Lower East Side of Manhattan and the waves of immigrants that passed through that area, Jewish, Irish, Italian, and how when the social fabric of those immigrant communities remained strong and intact, the crime rate was very low, something not missed by the US Bureau of the Census in its musings on how such high density areas could possibly have such positive social features (coming as they were from an anti-density tradition).

Your column also brings a welcome reminder of what immigration has done for the cities of my own country, Australia. When I was growing up in the 1950s and 60s all Australian kids ate &quot;meat and three veg&quot; as it later became known. The one or two Chinese restaurants that existed in Perth at the time were places of enormous mystery and even fear for children, brought up as we were on outlandish stories of the dangers posed to Australia&#039;s security by that part of the world. 

Half my friends in this era were kids from Italian immigrant families who made wonderful home made tomato sauce in their garages and graced our neighbourhoods with the scent of previously unknown pasta dishes and who grew vegetables in their front and backyards, a welcome break from the rows of neat and tidy and unsustainable expanses of European lawns.

I shudder to think where Australian cities would be today without the southern European, Asian and other waves of immigration that have so diversified the streetscapes of Australian inner cities with their lively shopfronts and wonderful cuisine, not to mention enlarging our understanding and appreciation of the rest of the world outside of its British colonial origins.

When one wanders around places like the bazaars in Cairo, the streets of Istanbul, and what is left of the old parts of Shanghai, to name just three of countless other places in the world, one realizes the incredible vitality, colour, diversity, work ethic and gregarious character of so many urban cultures worldwide with their very public and interactive, street-oriented traditions... and of course their capacity to diversify and revitalize local economies. 

It brings home how much the poorer we become when we are not embracing more creatively and enthusiastically such potential in our own cities of perhaps less &quot;exotic&quot; origins. And it also raises the issue of how to constructively acknowledge,  harness and honour the incredible potential and contribution of our own indigenous population, the original custodians of the  land, something Australia has so poorly done for much too long.

Thanks again for the column and the alert about the book. I hope it wakes up some positive policy responses.

Sincerely

Jeff Kenworthy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great book to have publicized through this column. I am sure there would be many a worthy PhD dissertation that could explore different aspects of immigrant-led city revitalization. </p>
<p>It reminded me of the stories I have read, the anecdotes I have been told and the experiences I have had in America&#8217;s checkerboard cities of good and bad neighbourhoods. Many years ago I was introduced to Greektown in Detroit, a small area, an island in a sea of decay, made safe and brought to life at night by a conglomeration of Greek restaurants. Later on in the 1980s I spent a whole afternoon in MacArthur Park in LA, just talking to the Mexican families crowded into that space having Sunday family picnics and how welcome they made me feel and how it so changed my perception of what LA symbolizes.</p>
<p>And there were the stories of the Puerto Ricans moving in to areas of NYC and sitting out on their stoops bringing life and friendliness to previously not so friendly streets (not that this was always understood or welcomed by existing residents). And then there were the stories of the Lower East Side of Manhattan and the waves of immigrants that passed through that area, Jewish, Irish, Italian, and how when the social fabric of those immigrant communities remained strong and intact, the crime rate was very low, something not missed by the US Bureau of the Census in its musings on how such high density areas could possibly have such positive social features (coming as they were from an anti-density tradition).</p>
<p>Your column also brings a welcome reminder of what immigration has done for the cities of my own country, Australia. When I was growing up in the 1950s and 60s all Australian kids ate &#8220;meat and three veg&#8221; as it later became known. The one or two Chinese restaurants that existed in Perth at the time were places of enormous mystery and even fear for children, brought up as we were on outlandish stories of the dangers posed to Australia&#8217;s security by that part of the world. </p>
<p>Half my friends in this era were kids from Italian immigrant families who made wonderful home made tomato sauce in their garages and graced our neighbourhoods with the scent of previously unknown pasta dishes and who grew vegetables in their front and backyards, a welcome break from the rows of neat and tidy and unsustainable expanses of European lawns.</p>
<p>I shudder to think where Australian cities would be today without the southern European, Asian and other waves of immigration that have so diversified the streetscapes of Australian inner cities with their lively shopfronts and wonderful cuisine, not to mention enlarging our understanding and appreciation of the rest of the world outside of its British colonial origins.</p>
<p>When one wanders around places like the bazaars in Cairo, the streets of Istanbul, and what is left of the old parts of Shanghai, to name just three of countless other places in the world, one realizes the incredible vitality, colour, diversity, work ethic and gregarious character of so many urban cultures worldwide with their very public and interactive, street-oriented traditions&#8230; and of course their capacity to diversify and revitalize local economies. </p>
<p>It brings home how much the poorer we become when we are not embracing more creatively and enthusiastically such potential in our own cities of perhaps less &#8220;exotic&#8221; origins. And it also raises the issue of how to constructively acknowledge,  harness and honour the incredible potential and contribution of our own indigenous population, the original custodians of the  land, something Australia has so poorly done for much too long.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the column and the alert about the book. I hope it wakes up some positive policy responses.</p>
<p>Sincerely</p>
<p>Jeff Kenworthy</p>
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