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		<title>By: Craig Anthony Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Anthony Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These exchanges have been worth the price of admissions!

Keep up the good work -- and that&#039;s an order!

Cheers,
Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These exchanges have been worth the price of admissions!</p>
<p>Keep up the good work &#8212; and that&#8217;s an order!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Craig</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Peirce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Peirce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Idea exchange – I received a challenging comment on this column from Jamaal Green of the Department of City and Regional Planning at the University of North Carolina –Chapel Hill.  Here’s his comment followed by my response:

From Jamaal Green:

I consistently find the your columns and others on Citistates to not only be fascinating and engaging, but generally, right on and well thought out. It is with dismay that I read your recent column on ideas for strapped state budgets that focused heavily upon cutting government services and continuing privatization schemes in key public sectors. While I recognize the dire straits that are state governments are in, how does it help them to cut out those services that it already does well. 

While shifting more students to online education may be laudable, not investing in sound university infrastructure and,&quot;...only paying for research&quot; would destroy what we know of as the American university system. It not only has the potential to kill off already weak humanities and arts departments but it would severely bite into social science programs and eliminate the physical environment of the university that helps to spur innovation. In addition, it discounts the cultural effect of having thousands of young people living in a new environment, being exposed to new ideas, and meeting new people. Not to disparage online education, but it is next to impossible for students to gain such an enriching experience if they remain at home working on a computer. For a columnist who prizes the importance of public space and social capital, it is disappointing that you would echo an idea that would weaken one of the most innovative spaces in American society, its colleges and universities. 

Also, while some charter schools have shown success, their effectiveness across the board has been mixed. I&#039;m from Washington DC and while there are some very good charter schools, there are many that perform as poorly as the public schools they were designed to replace. While we must do more to reform and change our system, simply shifting more resources to the private sector is not the way. That money could be better spent on improving our  existing schools instead of calling the entire system a wash.

Finally, while bringing in private sector workers into state government for extended contracts could bring in fresh blood and new ideas, I believe it is harmful in the long term to make government work as contingent as the private sector is already becoming. The contingent worker phenomenon has helped to gut middle management positions throughout the private sector and has eliminated traditional ideas of job security and firm loyalty. We already see too many promising government-led initiatives abandoned because there is a change in leadership. You would only accelerate these tendencies by having a revolving door of private sector workers brought in for a few projects or fixed time period. Government is in the business of governance. And governance is not a 3-5 year commitment, as much as we want to believe it. Let&#039;s bring in qualified people but making a mass shift to such a system is harmful in the long run. Yes, we do need to do more to reign in pension costs but shifting employees over to a 401-k plan is a cruel way to go about it. The private sector has largely abandoned the pension but why? Because it was better for managers and their shareholders and not their employees. This ongoing economic and financial crisis has shown us how incredibly vulnerable workers are where the majority of their possible retirement funds are tied up within the equity markets. The 401-k exists purely to offload employee pension payments from management and it is a poor system for guaranteeing retirement funds.

Even disagreeing with you on these areas I still found the column fascinating and I definitely agreed with the suggestions on imprisonment and treatment and I hope more governors are taking a hard look at it. I felt the need to write you because I respect your opinion and I felt the need to voice my disagreement with some of the policy prescriptions given. I pray you have a good day.

And my response to Jamaal:

I appreciate your kind reference to most of my columns.  And it&#039;s true -- the latest one does seem to diverge from my normal humanistic approaches (supposedly reinforced in a lifetime of scholarly interests, sparked by four years at Princeton in a &quot;Special Program on the Humanities&quot; in the 1950s).  I do believe a lot less university-based building is necessary-- but still the personal interchange of students, professors, etc., is very important.  Yet I&#039;m torn -- If states can&#039;t or won&#039;t finance higher learning as they used to, how do we find ways to open advance skills learning to the masses of a growing country (including many lower-income folks who are lucky to make it into a community college, not a UNC-Chapel Hill or Princeton).  

On the workers in government issue, I think the ideal would be a balance -- a coterie of professionals for institutional memory, but constantly refreshed by folks coming in from the private sector to reinvigorates thinking, new approaches, etc.  ... Thanks again for your input!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Idea exchange – I received a challenging comment on this column from Jamaal Green of the Department of City and Regional Planning at the University of North Carolina –Chapel Hill.  Here’s his comment followed by my response:</p>
<p>From Jamaal Green:</p>
<p>I consistently find the your columns and others on Citistates to not only be fascinating and engaging, but generally, right on and well thought out. It is with dismay that I read your recent column on ideas for strapped state budgets that focused heavily upon cutting government services and continuing privatization schemes in key public sectors. While I recognize the dire straits that are state governments are in, how does it help them to cut out those services that it already does well. </p>
<p>While shifting more students to online education may be laudable, not investing in sound university infrastructure and,&#8221;&#8230;only paying for research&#8221; would destroy what we know of as the American university system. It not only has the potential to kill off already weak humanities and arts departments but it would severely bite into social science programs and eliminate the physical environment of the university that helps to spur innovation. In addition, it discounts the cultural effect of having thousands of young people living in a new environment, being exposed to new ideas, and meeting new people. Not to disparage online education, but it is next to impossible for students to gain such an enriching experience if they remain at home working on a computer. For a columnist who prizes the importance of public space and social capital, it is disappointing that you would echo an idea that would weaken one of the most innovative spaces in American society, its colleges and universities. </p>
<p>Also, while some charter schools have shown success, their effectiveness across the board has been mixed. I&#8217;m from Washington DC and while there are some very good charter schools, there are many that perform as poorly as the public schools they were designed to replace. While we must do more to reform and change our system, simply shifting more resources to the private sector is not the way. That money could be better spent on improving our  existing schools instead of calling the entire system a wash.</p>
<p>Finally, while bringing in private sector workers into state government for extended contracts could bring in fresh blood and new ideas, I believe it is harmful in the long term to make government work as contingent as the private sector is already becoming. The contingent worker phenomenon has helped to gut middle management positions throughout the private sector and has eliminated traditional ideas of job security and firm loyalty. We already see too many promising government-led initiatives abandoned because there is a change in leadership. You would only accelerate these tendencies by having a revolving door of private sector workers brought in for a few projects or fixed time period. Government is in the business of governance. And governance is not a 3-5 year commitment, as much as we want to believe it. Let&#8217;s bring in qualified people but making a mass shift to such a system is harmful in the long run. Yes, we do need to do more to reign in pension costs but shifting employees over to a 401-k plan is a cruel way to go about it. The private sector has largely abandoned the pension but why? Because it was better for managers and their shareholders and not their employees. This ongoing economic and financial crisis has shown us how incredibly vulnerable workers are where the majority of their possible retirement funds are tied up within the equity markets. The 401-k exists purely to offload employee pension payments from management and it is a poor system for guaranteeing retirement funds.</p>
<p>Even disagreeing with you on these areas I still found the column fascinating and I definitely agreed with the suggestions on imprisonment and treatment and I hope more governors are taking a hard look at it. I felt the need to write you because I respect your opinion and I felt the need to voice my disagreement with some of the policy prescriptions given. I pray you have a good day.</p>
<p>And my response to Jamaal:</p>
<p>I appreciate your kind reference to most of my columns.  And it&#8217;s true &#8212; the latest one does seem to diverge from my normal humanistic approaches (supposedly reinforced in a lifetime of scholarly interests, sparked by four years at Princeton in a &#8220;Special Program on the Humanities&#8221; in the 1950s).  I do believe a lot less university-based building is necessary&#8211; but still the personal interchange of students, professors, etc., is very important.  Yet I&#8217;m torn &#8212; If states can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t finance higher learning as they used to, how do we find ways to open advance skills learning to the masses of a growing country (including many lower-income folks who are lucky to make it into a community college, not a UNC-Chapel Hill or Princeton).  </p>
<p>On the workers in government issue, I think the ideal would be a balance &#8212; a coterie of professionals for institutional memory, but constantly refreshed by folks coming in from the private sector to reinvigorates thinking, new approaches, etc.  &#8230; Thanks again for your input!</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Rubio-Cortes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria Rubio-Cortes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal,  Thank you for this thoughtful post.  I agree that we need to think and act differently.    And, state and local government can pave the way for this important reinvention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal,  Thank you for this thoughtful post.  I agree that we need to think and act differently.    And, state and local government can pave the way for this important reinvention.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Perlman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Perlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another in a long line of provocative columns. The truth is these reforms are not even being talked about in most places never mind voted on or implemented. The old adage of never waste a good crisis is being squandered by leaders desperately clinging to a status quo that has long left the building.
Americans are ready for straight talk and to make tough decisions but we are never called on to do so. The biggest problem in our cities, counties, states and nation&#039;s is not the fiscal challenges we face (as admittedly big and ominous as they are) but the deficit in leadership and our ability to work together to solve problems. Future generations will look back in anger and astonishment if we don&#039;t at least begin to fix these huge problems we&#039;ve created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another in a long line of provocative columns. The truth is these reforms are not even being talked about in most places never mind voted on or implemented. The old adage of never waste a good crisis is being squandered by leaders desperately clinging to a status quo that has long left the building.<br />
Americans are ready for straight talk and to make tough decisions but we are never called on to do so. The biggest problem in our cities, counties, states and nation&#8217;s is not the fiscal challenges we face (as admittedly big and ominous as they are) but the deficit in leadership and our ability to work together to solve problems. Future generations will look back in anger and astonishment if we don&#8217;t at least begin to fix these huge problems we&#8217;ve created.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your article.  I would add two things to the list.  To qualify for a high school diploma, every student must pass two courses: one on ethics (to include ethics in business) and the other on personal financial literacy -- covering credit cards, mortgages, budgeting and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your article.  I would add two things to the list.  To qualify for a high school diploma, every student must pass two courses: one on ethics (to include ethics in business) and the other on personal financial literacy &#8212; covering credit cards, mortgages, budgeting and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard J. Wooldridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard J. Wooldridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent road map for the future.  WTG.

RE:  the prisons vs money for education...when parents have a choice to either tax Michael Phelps and Willie Nelson or lose the AP teacher for their teen, they will choose to tax Willie.    California will have such a vote this fall.   Marijuana is a no-brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent road map for the future.  WTG.</p>
<p>RE:  the prisons vs money for education&#8230;when parents have a choice to either tax Michael Phelps and Willie Nelson or lose the AP teacher for their teen, they will choose to tax Willie.    California will have such a vote this fall.   Marijuana is a no-brainer.</p>
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